Hippolytus comments on Proverbs. He makes several comments regarding the meaning of a passage in Proverbs, finding the meaning of the passage in the persons of the Trinity.
“â€By three things the earth is movedâ€. Viz., by the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. “And the forth it cannot bearâ€, viz., the last appearing of Christ.†Pg.`174
“â€There are four things which are least upon the earth, and these are wiser than the wise…â€. …That is, the thief with his hands extended (on the cross), rests on the cross of Christ and dwells in Paradise, the stronghold of the three Kings – Father, Son and Holy Ghostâ€. Pg. 174
Finally, “By Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the whole earth is movedâ€. Pg. 175
ANF, Vol. 5, pg 174-175
Note: These statements should be read within their context. Hippolytus uses the early church hermeneutic (art of interpretation) which modern scientific oriented churchmen have difficulty understanding. An understanding of this form of hermeneutics would be of great benefit to those of you desiring to understand the early church.
Let him then be introduced before us who speaketh by the Holy Spirit, and saith truth – David the son of Jesse. He, singing a certain strain with prophetic reference to the true Christ, celebrated our God by the Holy Spirit, (and) declared clearly all that befell Him by the hands of the Jews in His passion; in which (strain) the Christ who hubled Himself and took unto Himself the form of the servant Adam, calls upon God the Father in heaven as it were in our person, and speaks thus in the sixty-ninth Psalm: “Save me, O God; for the waters are come in unto my soul…â€
By SUZANNE GAMBOA, Associated Press Writer 29 minutes ago
WASHINGTON – Should they stay or should they go, those 11 million illegal immigrants living in the United States? The fight is over whether they should have to leave three years to six years down the road.
Even senators who oppose providing a path to citizenship to illegal immigrants are willing to grant them temporary legal status as long as they register with the government, pay fines and eventually leave.
“Our first obligation is to bring them out of the shadows, make sure we know who they are, why they’re here, make sure we have a name and some kind of identification for them,” Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said in an interview with The Associated Press.
“Then there will be a period of time, whether it’s three years or six years … but they can continue to work here and at that point in time — that’s where the debate is — do they have to go home or are they put on some sort of path to citizenship?” Frist said.
As the Senate opened two weeks of debate Wednesday night, Republicans clashed over whether providing a path to legal citizenship would lead to more flouting of U.S. immigration laws.
Dennis Hastert raised the possibility that a program letting illegal immigrants continue to reside in the U.S. for a period of time might be considered by the House if the Senate approves one.
“Our first priority is to protect the borders. We also know there is a need in some sectors of this economy for a guest worker program,” Hastert told reporters Wednesday.
The House has passed legislation limited to tightening borders and making it a crime to be in the United States illegally or to offer aid to illegal immigrants.
However, there is a growing consensus among lawmakers that any merging of the House and Senate measures so that Congress could send a bill to
President Bush won’t occur until after the November election.
“What you end up doing is the House has passed a bill, the Senate passed a bill and everybody declares victory and you don’t get anything out of conference between now and the elections,” said Sen. Charles Grassley (news, bio, voting record), R-Iowa.
Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
Bush said workers should be given tamper-resistant identity cards and go to the back of the line when they seek citizenship.
“I think it makes sense to have a temporary worker program that says you’re not an automatic citizen to help, one, enforce the border; and, two, uphold the decency of America,” Bush said Wednesday.
Sen. Edward Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass., who has proposed with Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., allowing illegal immigrants earn a path to citizenship through work, was buoyed by Bush’s comments.
“We should reject temporary status and required departure because they are bad for business,” Kennedy said. “What do we gain if millions of immigrant workers who fuel our economy are required to spend weeks — or years or decades under some plans — waiting outside the United States for permission to continue their work?”
Frist dodged the question of what to do about illegal immigrants in the country in the bill he introduced. But other bills that could be offered as amendments tackle that issue.
On Monday, Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., shepherded legislation containing the McCain-Kennedy proposal through the Senate Judiciary Committee on a 12-6 vote. He insisted the bill is not amnesty because illegal immigrants would have to undergo background checks, pay fines, back taxes and clear other obstacles before getting on the “citizenship track.” They wouldn’t have to leave the United States.
Sens. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., rail against what they call “amnesty” but would give illegal immigrants six months to register with the government. Those who do, could stay in the U.S., but only for up to five years. They would have to pay $2,000 fines annually for the privilege. Those who don’t could be deported.
The immigrants who register could return as guest workers, but would have to apply for legal permanent residency — a step to citizenship — from their home countries.
Under current law, a person who is in the country illegally for more than 180 days cannot re-enter the U.S. for three years. A person in the country illegally for more than a year cannot re-enter for 10 years. Those prohibitions would be waived for immigrants who register with the government under the Cornyn-Kyl plan.————————————————————-
___It seems to me that there are Christians on every side of this issue. Ron-
Olive Gruen [1883-1963] worked in both mainland China and Taiwan [where she pioneered the Lutheran ministry]. Olive Gruen, Missionary to China, not a complementarian
An Afghan Christian convert, who had faced the death penalty in his country for abandoning Islam, has arrived in Italy which has offered him asylum, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said on Wednesday.”He is already in Italy,” Berlusconi told a news conference in Rome.
US-based Christian news source, Compass Direct, reports that more Christians have been arrested for their faith in Afghanistan in the wake of the release of Abdul Rahman. Compass, a news service that tracks persecution of Christians mostly in Islamic countries, says harassment of the Christian community has been stepped up.Compass says two more Christian converts have been arrested in other parts of the country, but further information is being withheld in the “sensitive situation†caused by the international media furor over Rahman.
Reports of beatings and police raids on the homes of Christians are filtering out of the country through local Christian ministers…
Howie at The Jawa Report is reminded of two Reagan quotes, that are meaningful in more ways than one this week:
“If we ever forget that we’re one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.”
“No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.
Willard Willimon, bishop in the United Methodist Church was recently asked about his opinion of John Wesley. He responded by describing Wesley’s view of the Trinity. Willimon responded, “What a vibrant, constant, sense of the lively, intrusive, loquacious Trinity he had!”The Trinity, Trinitarian theology, John Wesley in the eyes of Willimon
In 203, she was taken to an arena in Carthage. A mad cow gored her and she was later killed by the sword as a martyr. Was she a complementarian? Who knows but I doubt it [who really cares?]. Felicitas a complementarian?
Given the recent protests in Los Angeles and elsewhere, walk outs and general anarchy, love him or hate him, Pat Buchanan got it right in his book The Death of the West. Pat Buchanan, Immigration and the death of the West
Monica Farrell, literally effected millions with her preaching and teaching in various parts of the English speaking world. I suspect she was not a complementarian, the pressing question is: “Just how morally rebellious was she, if not a complementarian?” Some Complementarians would say-very rebellious.